Geoffrey St. John Dates Sally Acorn - I THINK I MAY have figured it out Posted by WB on March 23, 2001 This is partly in response to true red's post on Sonic 95 below, but its its own post as well so I did this one seperately. When Ken Penders or Karl Bollers (I cant remember which one) announced earlier that Sally will begin dating Geoffrey again everyone screamed out "WHY?" like they've run out of ideas and are bringing up a dead horse again. Well, I got Sonic 95 and Geoffrey's nasty "She is royalty you know.." comment after slamming the door on Sonic got me thinking... First of all - concerning the conversation with Bunnie and True Red's statement: Actually I read Sonic's "Sally's gonna start dating geoffrey" comment more as sarcasm instead of it as an actual stated fact for right now. Example - its like saying before the election something really sarcastic like: Maybe Doc Robotnik's going soft? Yeah right, and George Bush is gonna be president. And then, 4 months later - lo and behold, Bush becomes President. See what i mean, that kind of sarcasm is what I took the comment for. And lo behold after Sonic's comment - Geoffrey will start dating Sally. If you think about it, Its actually more foreshadowing for those that dont know what we on the net know. HOWEVER it IS only forshadowing. Now, We all know Sally dislikes Geoff. She sort of has after time passed since issue 50, right? Has anyone bothered to think yet that if they DO date then it will be something forced and prearranged, like how King Max wanted Sally to date Antione after the whole Source Of All incident. Think about it. It wouldnt NECESSARILY be backpedalling but bringing up something very old thats been brought up in the books already, but this time with a different twist. Remember that King Acorn forbid Sally to date Sonic because he wasnt royalty? This changed though, when Sonic became knighted. King Max originally wanted her to be with Antione because of his ties to the royal military. HOWEVER - since then, he's become MORE entwined with Bunnie. Queen Acorn has already praised that she likes Geoffrey St. John more or less in the last issues, right? So if Antione is busy dating Bunnie - who else is the next best candidate for a "Royal Predestined marriage" but Geoffrey, who is currently single. You've got the Queen backing it, he's already the kings lap dog, and he's got King Elias as a puppet on a string. he can basically get Sally if he wants to force it and he IS that kind of nasty shrew to pull a stunt like that. She'd still sorely dislike Geoff but this time she's forced to do it because she really doesnt have any choice and feels the one person she did love - Sonic - has betrayed her. And with Mina in the way, this time she NO LONGER has Sonic to lean on. So she gives in and unhappily dates Geoffrey to please them - the king and queen. Meanwhile, Geoffrey's still jealous and sees the incompetent Elias as a way to get himself in his nibs good graces one more time after losing out and being one upped CONSISTENTLY to Sonic The Hedgehog. So - A) His first bit is to get Sonic's Knighthood revoked so he no longer can be justified as "dating royalty". This has already happened. B) He uses Elias as a puppet so he can slowly build up himself and at the same time hinder Sonic in every way possible. Thus Sonic becomes no longer a problem, because he can keep him out of his hair as he pleases without anyone saying anything. King Max doesnt know, Queens Alicia's never dealt with him before and Elias will listen to anything Geoffrey says taking it as "help". And Sally cant do anything about it cause she's already felt betrayed by everybody. THIS has already happened. C) With Sonic out of the way, Sally still needs someone to "date". So why not present himself in front of the King and Queen. he's already made himself look good and he's gotten his greatest obstacle out of the way for good - Sonic the Hedgehog. So whats to say he cant try and pursue an old flame one more time? And Sally could see this (if they develop her that way) as the perfect thing to make Sonic jealous, not realizing that Geoff's using her as a tool for spite. D) And lastly Geoffrey's the comics canon bastard. he always has been - this hasnt happened yet, but if Geoffrey becomes super greedy and continues at this rate, he'll have Sally, Elias, and the Acorns all on a string. He's ALREADY got the Acorns, Sally's the only one left not under his thumb. He's already making "his own changes" to knothole through the puppet Elias. Whats to say he wont go further and stop taking "baby steps" after he gets Sally? This isnt about Sally per se - yes she plays a BIG role in this as far as The Mina/Sonic/Sally love triangle goes. But the thing is - when Ken Penders said that Sally will be dating Geoffrey - I think he said that to blur a SECOND storyline that no one has caught onto. the fact that thier developing Geoffrey as the "smile in your face one minute and then stab you in the back bastard" the next. After all - he's been like that before Brave New World, but back under Ken Penders pen, he was more loud about it. Now he's just being sneaky putting on the grinning face and then stabbing everyone on the back when he can get something good out of it. And whats to say that he hasnt really been "grinning in everyones face" the whole time? Basically - thier writing him, so that he never really changed. And whats to _REALLY_ say that that WASNT the plan the whole time? He's just being a lot more bastardy and sneaky about it than before and grinning in everyones face like he and Sonic had buried the hatchet, when deep down - he still hates him but gets nowhere confronting him openly. So he takes the covert way of doing it. And thats where I think there going. Its actually a very clever way to write the story barring problems I have with OTHER things. Sally dating Geoffrey isnt a primary twist in the Mina/Sonic storyline - its an extension of it combined with a past one that "technically" didnt stop and its a whole nother storyline in itself - the fact that Geoffrey is finally getting everything he wants at Sonics expense and no one realizes it, and Bollers and Penders blurred it with Mina/Sonic to make you THINK that its retconning something that may [b]never[/b] have been planned to be dropped in the first place. Sneaky, but that COULD be it if you put 2 and 2 together. >;) Comments? ------ Posted by Dr. Robotnik n Reply to: Geoffrey St. John Dates Sally Acorn - I THINK I MAY have figured it out posted by WB : When Ken Penders or Karl Bollers (I cant remember which one) announced earlier that Sally will begin dating Geoffrey again everyone screamed out "WHY?" like they've run out of ideas and are bringing up a dead horse again. I for one thought we got done with that storyline. Although, Sonic and Geoffry said they weren't done fighting so they need something to fight about. I just think Hershey's gonna be ticked off. : Now, We all know Sally dislikes Geoff. She sort of has after time passed since issue 50, right? Has anyone bothered to think yet that if they DO date then it will be something forced and prearranged, like how King Max wanted Sally to date Antione after the whole Source Of All incident. You know what I think? ("How could anyone possibly know what you think?!") Geoffrey is trying to take over. Prince Elias doesn't do anything, Geoffrey will have influence with Sally, Big King is on the DL, and Queen Alicia doesn't want to do anything. Geoff might be the Ultimate Villian. : the fact that thier developing Geoffrey as the "smile in your face one minute and then stab you in the back bastard" the next. "They smile in your face; all the time they wanna take your place; the back stabbers"...sorry. : After all - he's been like that before Brave New World, but back under Ken Penders pen, he was more loud about it. Now he's just being sneaky putting on the grinning face and then stabbing everyone on the back when he can get something good out of it. : And whats to say that he hasnt really been "grinning in everyones face" the whole time? Geoffrey is already running the secret squad, now he's got some control of the kingdom, and ever since the Sally miniseries, it's still not really clear who he works for. --- Ha HA! Posted by Sonicboom13 >Geoff might be the Ultimate Villian. Someone else who's thought of that possibility! *yee* Geoffrey's always been one of my fav Archie-made chars... I'll like him even more if he's the UV *stary SD style eyes* *____* ~Jamina ------ *gasp!* WB is back! Posted by Ian Potto Quick! Hide the pony and tells the elves to take their "magic elixer" with them! *hik* I think you're on to something, Dub. It isn't as if Geoff hasn't been sneaky before. The whole Sally mini-series showed us just how manipulating he can be. But let's take another look at all you've showed us: controlling the House of Acorn, running the country from behind the scenes, not really being totally trust worthy...it all leads me to believe he's the new Ultimate Villain. Oh don't roll your eyes. Think about it. Geoff could easily force Sonic out of Knothole (and from the spoilers, I think he kinda does, indirectly). He would be a "hero turned villain." Now...just how does he become a real threat to Robotnik? erm, Eggman. Having yet to get S#95, I don't have much to add. But I think you're onto to something. --- O.O'' Hey, you're right! Where ya been, WB? Posted by Rogue : Quick! Hide the pony and tells the elves to take their "magic elixer" with them! *hik* O_o''' I'm not even gonna ask... : But let's take another look at all you've showed us: controlling the House of Acorn, running the country from behind the scenes, not really being totally trust worthy...it all leads me to believe he's the new Ultimate Villain. : Oh don't roll your eyes. Think about it. I'm seriously thinking about it. He'd make a better UV than Knuckles, that's for sure. : Having yet to get S#95, I don't have much to add. But I think you're onto to something. I don't have it either. ::grumbles:: Stupid Western Supermarket; stopped selling Sonic but is still selling ARCHIE!! Honestly, what the h*ll are they thinking? ~Rogue ------ Everywhere but the net - sort of ^_^ Posted by WB Seven words - The Savannah College Of Art And Design Its tough ^_^ That and I'm...planning something...in the not too distant future around April. Ian, I never did get a response from Andy so I'm just gonna take it into my own hands. I've made you wait more than any courteous person necessarily should. I'm on Spring Break right now and home and at a computer that hasnt been updated since 1996 and runs on Windows 95. You figure it out. I'll email you either Sunday or Monday night. Either way I'm relishing my spring break before I start next quarter :P --- No prob Dub Posted by Ian Potto I figured college life was taxing on your time. I'm still waiting for a few thing on my end anyhoo, but I'll be ready whenever you're ready. Dub: So, you're ready? Ian: Are you ready? Dub: I'm ready. You ready? Ian: I'm ready. You ready? Dub: I'm ready, already! Ian: Alrighty.