SSS #11 poll, plus a comment on the Knux comic Posted by MephitisLotor The Sonic Foundation recently held a poll asking people to rate SSS #11 from 0 (low) to 4 (high), and gave people the chance to leave comments. I found the results (available at http://www.sonicfoundation.org/news/poll/poll30.htm) interesting, as well as some of the comments. The results: Four 37% Three 43% Two 17% One 0% Zero 3% AVERAGE 3.12 Considering how many people were outraged at Lupe's and Bunnie's fates, I'd say this is a very high rating. Actually, while reading the comments I was surprised at the number of people who accepted what happened to Bunnie, and was even more surprised by the number of people who (like me) felt that Lupe's roboticization made for a good story and strengthened the comic as a whole, even though they wished it could've been another character. Favorite comment (in its entirety): Five words:WHERE THE HELL IS AMY? Dumbest comment (in its entirety): I want Males like Knuckles! (I'd mock that comment, except I doubt the person who made it would is reading this message. =P ) A few other comments: One major problem with Sally's story was the screwed up stuff with Julayla.. She was a cat, darnit! Didn't these people even LOOK at Sonic:IYF? Julayla's 'new look' has been in use since #43, and she's made many more appearances since that issue than she did before. In other words, it's time to get used to the fact that she's no longer portrayed as a cat. Though I must admit, I'm curious as to what happened that caused her appearance to change to such an extent; I almost think that her appearance in #43 was initially meant to be Sally's mother instead, but was changed at the last minute... in the sally story she saw herself in the source, she was married to sonic, But she was also the queen, the fact that she wasnt able to marry sonic if she bonded with the source of all is what sparked the whole controversey in the 1st place, so did the source change its mind or summink? I noticed that as well when I read the story; I actually have what I think is a plausible explanation for why the Source of All would tell the King that Sally had to marry Antoine to be queen, and then would show Sally and Sonic as the royal couple in the future, but I don't want to spill the beans in case I use it in a fan fiction down the road... ;) One thing that worries me is the number of people who think that the Knuckles cancellation means an end to that storyline, as evidenced in the following comments: Anyways, it's too bad there'll be little chance to develop that Julie-Su stuff now though, never mind Knuckles stuff. [...] The Julie-Su story was great! :D ..But, it's completely worthless now that Knux has been cancelled. Knuckles will continue as a backup in Sonic, people; it'll be rough getting the story only 8 pages at a time, but we will get it. And it's still possible that Knuckles the series will return in the future, if we continue writing polite letters to Archie, asking for greater exposure for Knuckles, and buying back issues for friends who'd like the comic (or getting those friends to buy the issues). The sort of hopeless attitude displayed in the comments above won't help matters any. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, plotting a series of fanfics about Lupe and the Wolfpack... --- Hmmm... Posted by Dr. Robotnik : The Sonic Foundation recently held a poll asking people to rate SSS #11 from 0 (low) to 4 (high), and gave people the chance to leave comments. I found the results (available at http://www.sonicfoundation.org/news/poll/poll30.htm) interesting, as well as some of the comments. I encourage everyone to vote on Sonic Foundation's polls. I think that's the best Sonic site out there. It's so Fan-oriented. : One major problem with Sally's story was the screwed up stuff with Julayla.. She was a cat, darnit! Didn't these people even LOOK at Sonic:IYF? I have a serious problem with that. She's supposed to be a cat. I think the reason she's not is somebody wasn't aware of how she is in the Knothole family. I don't remember which comic is #43 right off-hand, but it sounds like someone thought she was related to Sally in some way. NTM, Sonic: IYF is a comic that the new readers(read: "People that Archie calls out to at the great risk of alienating older readers and SatAM fans who have been collecting since issue #13 or before") aren't likely to have. That goes for Sonic ltd #0, and regular series #3 and #13 which were destroyed by Sonic Firsts. Ken P., you showed Sally's color changes in Knuckles #29, why in the name of everything did the editor or whoever was in charge mess up Sonic Firsts so bad?! Couldn't they have packed in EditorText saying "This is how the comics first appeared in the books they were from." --- New readers vs. old readers, & Sonic Firsts Posted by MephitisLotor : NTM, Sonic: IYF is a comic that the new readers(read: "People that Archie calls out to at the great risk of alienating older readers and SatAM fans who have been collecting since issue #13 or before") aren't likely to have. If Archie didn't call out to new readers (at whatever risk to alienating older readers), Sonic almost certainly would've been canceled as a comic well before now. Any continuing series, whether comic, TV, novel, or computer game, always loses fans as time goes by; the trick is to pick up enough new fans to offset those that are lost. Remember, the SatAM series has been cancelled for 4-5 years, so it's not going to be bringing new readers to the comic. : That goes for Sonic ltd #0, and regular series #3 and #13 which were destroyed by Sonic Firsts. Ken P., you showed Sally's color changes in Knuckles #29, why in the name of everything did the editor or whoever was in charge mess up Sonic Firsts so bad?! Couldn't they have packed in EditorText saying "This is how the comics first appeared in the books they were from." I don't have Sonic Firsts, and to be honest I don't have any interest in it, but I do think it was a mistake to tamper with the original issues rather than just printing an editor's note. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, wondering what NTM means... --- Posted by True Red : If Archie didn't call out to new readers (at whatever risk to alienating older readers), Sonic almost certainly would've been canceled as a comic well before now. Any continuing series, whether comic, TV, novel, or computer game, always loses fans as time goes by; the trick is to pick up enough new fans to offset those that are lost. Remember, the SatAM series has been cancelled for 4-5 years, so it's not going to be bringing new readers to the comic. Actually, it still is. I'll admit that I started reading these comics because of SatAM in 1996, but I never told anyone in my hometown. When SatAM came out, I was at the age where people my age "supposedly" didn't watch cartoons anymore. Well, in January I finally decided to tell people about Sonic and Knuckles comics. A LOT of people loved both books. You want to know the reason....they loved the SatAM TV show, which they all used to watch but wouldn't talk about since it was a cartoon and they're too "mature" for cartoons. And yes, these are people who BUY the comics now. I'm in college now and I'm still getting a couple of fans for Knux and Sonic who liked SatAM who never heard of the comic or stopped reading it after Sonic #5 and never picked it up again because the series was "nothing like SatAM." In the US, SatAM is huge and got a lot of fans into the fandom and people to like Sonic (me included). If Archie really alienates SatAM fans, I think they'd be in trouble. I've had people say to me while doing the petition that they are ready to drop because 1) they believe Archie is totally killing SatAM storyline and 2) no more Knux comic. Also, the older readers bring in a lot of the new fans. If the older readers start saying "Sonic comics stink" and start spreading that, no one is going to pick up the comics. If the people who end up liking SA is a lot, they'd be fine, that's true. However, I'm not sure that is going to be the case, not yet. --- My comments [::dives for cover::] Posted by MoKat : Zero 3% I'll bet all of those came from boys under the age of 10 ;) : Considering how many people were outraged at Lupe's and Bunnie's fates, I'd say this is a very high rating. [::nods::] :Actually, while reading the comments I was surprised at the number of people who accepted what happened to Bunnie, Like me? All that story did was bring the whole issue to a head. It was implied in several previous isses that de-roboticization was highly unlikely. Then again, the "In Your Face" special gave people a reason to think otherwise. :and was even more surprised by the number of people who (like me) felt that Lupe's roboticization made for a good story and strengthened the comic as a whole, even though they wished it could've been another character. [::nods::] I wasn't expecting -that-. : Favorite comment (in its entirety): : Five words:WHERE THE HELL IS AMY? LOL! Probably came from a Sega Sonic fan ;0 (Good question, tho'.) : Dumbest comment (in its entirety): : I want Males like Knuckles! Excuse me while I try to get my mind out of the gutter ;P : One major problem with Sally's story was the screwed up stuff with Julayla.. She was a cat, darnit! Didn't these people even LOOK at Sonic:IYF? I liked her best as a feline... That opinion is rather biased, tho' ;) : Julayla's 'new look' has been in use since #43, and she's made many more appearances since that issue than she did before. In other words, it's time to get used to the fact that she's no longer portrayed as a cat. Though I must admit, I'm curious as to what happened that caused her appearance to change to such an extent; I almost think that her appearance in #43 was initially meant to be Sally's mother instead, but was changed at the last minute... [::nods::] I got the same impression. : in the sally story she saw herself in the source, she was married to sonic, But she was also the queen, the fact that she wasnt able to marry sonic if she bonded with the source of all is what sparked the whole controversey in the 1st place, so did the source change its mind or summink? Could be...or ol' Max saw all the possibilities & liked the outcome of 'what if Sal married Ant' the best. Max may know the consequences of all his possible actions, but that doesn't guarantee that he'll make the wisest choice. Personally, I don't trust -his- judgement. : I noticed that as well when I read the story; I actually have what I think is a plausible explanation for why the Source of All would tell the King that Sally had to marry Antoine to be queen, and then would show Sally and Sonic as the royal couple in the future, but I don't want to spill the beans in case I use it in a fan fiction down the road... Heh. I hope I didn't trip over it by accident... : One thing that worries me is the number of people who think that the Knuckles cancellation means an end to that storyline, as evidenced in the following comments: : Anyways, it's too bad there'll be little chance to develop that Julie-Su stuff now though, never mind Knuckles stuff. [...] The Julie-Su story was great! :D ..But, it's completely worthless now that Knux has been cancelled. [::nods::] I may be pessimistic, but I'm not THAT pessimistic. : Knuckles will continue as a backup in Sonic, people; it'll be rough getting the story only 8 pages at a time, but we will get it. And it's still possible that Knuckles the series will return in the future, if we continue writing polite letters to Archie, asking for greater exposure for Knuckles, and buying back issues for friends who'd like the comic (or getting those friends to buy the issues). The sort of hopeless attitude displayed in the comments above won't help matters any. Yeah! Too right, it won't! --- Re: My comments [::dives for cover::] Posted by MephitisLotor : I liked [Julayla] best as a feline... : That opinion is rather biased, tho' ;) I still haven't seen her as a feline, so I wouldn't know. The only thing that bothers me about her current appearance is that she looks so much like an older version of the 5-year-old Sally that I halfway expect them to be related. [my as-yet-unrevealed idea behind the Source of All's flip-flop on who Sally will marry] : Heh. I hope I didn't trip over it by accident... I wouldn't mind if you or someone else happened to come up with the same idea that I have; I just won't say anything about it. This one time, though, I will say that while I think you've come up with a decent explanation, it's not even close to mine. ;) -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, who's apparently more sympathetic to King Max than almost anyone else in the internet portion of Sonic fandom --- They should de-roboticize Julie-Su if anyone at all... Posted by That guy with the hat Julie-Su would look a lot better that way and her bionic parts aren't serving any purpose. I am aware that perhaps she was not roboticized in some places, but instead had certain things replaced with bionic parts in which case she probably won't ever be changed, but still, if this is the case, what's with the robo-hair? Rabbot on the other hand could use her robotic parts to extend her legs or arm and she had incredible strength in the one arm. Everyone's personalities in the knothole freedom fighter group have been destroyed by Karl. Sonic acts completely out of character, Antoine is nothing more than snotty, Sally is no longer smart and brave, but instead just ditzy and where she would normally appear she seems to have been replaced by her brother who is a lot less likeable when written for by Bollers than by Ken, Tails is a dolt now, Rotor was written out because Bollers thinks there can be only one inventor, his dispicable character that takes credit for everything and does everything while people look like morons around him, Nate Morgan(CURSE YOU!), he is the same reason one of the best characters in the book for Sonic to relate to is gone also, Uncle Chuck!(come home Chuck!) Bunnie now is nothing. She is a background character who serves no purpose. She used to be a great help to everyone! No one in the Knothole group works as a team anymore! The good old days are gone. By the way, the art just keeps getting worse and less realistic you may have noticed. And that idiot Fry tries to cram in as much pointless, hideous anime as possible! Anime is out of place in this book. Quite frankly, Ken's art in King of the hill was the most abomminable art of Knuckles I've ever seen! If you want to draw them as they appear in Sonic Adventure than try actually drawing them the way they appear! Don't even get me started on how much I think yoguys at Archie are befouling Sonic Adventure. You guys aren't gettin' anything right at all. These are my opinions and do not necessarily match those of all residents of this board. --- Re: They should de-roboticize Julie-Su if anyone at all... Posted by True Red : Julie-Su would look a lot better that way and her bionic parts aren't serving any purpose. I am aware that perhaps she was not roboticized in some places, but instead had certain things replaced with bionic parts in which case she probably won't ever be changed, but still, if this is the case, what's with the robo-hair? I think Julie-Su should keep her bionic parts. She has the bionic parts because she is from the Dark Legion and everyone from the DL has varying amounts of cybernetic parts. Actually, if something happened to Kragok and Kommisar, she's next in line to be in charge (thanks to SSS #11). I don't think she should change her looks because they emphasize the point that people should be judged by what they do and not what they look like. That's the purpose of her cybernetic parts. It's not like Bunnie's, but Bunnie was partly roboticized, Julie-Su was not. --- The quality of recent Sonic & Knuckles issues. Posted by MephitisLotor : Everyone's personalities in the knothole freedom fighter group have been destroyed by Karl. Sonic acts completely out of character, Antoine is nothing more than snotty, Sally is no longer smart and brave, but instead just ditzy and where she would normally appear she seems to have been replaced by her brother who is a lot less likeable when written for by Bollers than by Ken, Tails is a dolt now, Rotor was written out because Bollers thinks there can be only one inventor, his dispicable character that takes credit for everything and does everything while people look like morons around him, Nate Morgan(CURSE YOU!), he is the same reason one of the best characters in the book for Sonic to relate to is gone also, Uncle Chuck!(come home Chuck!) Bunnie now is nothing. She is a background character who serves no purpose. She used to be a great help to everyone! No one in the Knothole group works as a team anymore! The good old days are gone. Oy, that's a lot of ground covered in one dense paragraph; I'll try to keep my reply brief. I don't think Karl Bollers has gotten Sonic's character down pat yet, but then again a lot of big things have happened to Sonic recently; I'd have been disappointed if Sonic had been through all that without showing some change in his character. Besides, I don't think Bollers's take on Sonic has been that different from what's been established in the previous SatAM and comic continuity, although from what I understand it's a pretty far cry from Sonic in the games. In addition to 'snotty' (#78p13), Antoine has also been shown as soldierly (#78p13), caring (SSS #11, 'Upgrade'), and a little goofy (#72p13). It's a vast improvement over his character on the cartoon, where he was a love-smitten, craven coward who shouldn't have been allowed outside of Knothole, much less on crucial missions to the heart of Robotropolis. Sally, ditzy? Where'd you get that? And I can't think of any particular scene where Elias has been used when Sally would've been the logical choice, although of course the exposure he's gotten has been at her (and everyone else's) expense. Tails has been woefully underutilized lately (so what else is new?), but when he has appeared I wouldn't characterize him as being a 'dolt'. He was the one who led the others back to the library for Jeremiah, after all. I don't claim to know why Rotor was written out of the storyline, though I fear it was so that he could be roboticized, thus giving the book a more dangerous tone. I do find the fact that Nate seems to solve just about everything annoying, although I like Nate's character. And I certainly wouldn't say that he's making everyone else look like morons. I miss having Uncle Chuck around too, but I don't think he's inherently a better character than Jules and Bernie. So far I think Bollers has been doing OK handling this particular change. As for Bunnie, she's been reasonably visible over the past year, especially in Sonic #74 and SSS #11. She's far from "a background character who serves no purpose", even now with the new guys in the foreground much of the time. I do agree that the original Freedom Fighters haven't had much of a chance to be a team lately, but it looks like that situation may be improving. : By the way, the art just keeps getting worse and less realistic you may have noticed. And that idiot Fry tries to cram in as much pointless, hideous anime as possible! Anime is out of place in this book. I'll talk about Fry in my response to JL's post. I just wanted to mention, though, that Sonic is basically an anime character. Personally, I think the abstract backgrounds and anime-type expressions that Fry's been using work well in this comic, but that's just my opinion. (BTW, Dan Drazen also likes Fry's artwork, maybe more than I do.) : Quite frankly, Ken's art in King of the hill was the most abomminable art of Knuckles I've ever seen! You, obviously, have never seen Sonic #56. Or Knuckles #26-28. Or SSS #1 ('Battle Royal'). Or... well, better stop there, I hate being so negative. In all honesty, I do sorta agree with much of what you've said; in particular, I'm starting to run out of patience with Bollers's continuing to give so much exposure to Nate and Elias at the expense of the other characters. However, I do think you're being too extremist and vitrolic in your post. Or maybe I'm over-reacting after seeing so many posts complaining about how terrible the Sonic comics are now. If you hate them so much, why do you keep buying them? (That last question wasn't addressed just to you, T.g.w.t.h., but to all the posters who haven't said a positive word about the comics in the 2-3 months I've been here.) -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, no relation to Nate --- Fry is a dolt. He just rips off his character designs from Tenchi Muyo. Posted by JL : Everyone's personalities in the knothole freedom fighter group have been destroyed by Karl. Sonic acts completely out of character, Antoine is nothing more than snotty, Sally is no longer smart and brave, but instead just ditzy and where she would normally appear she seems to have been replaced by her brother who is a lot less likeable when written for by Bollers than by Ken, Tails is a dolt now, Rotor was written out because Bollers thinks there can be only one inventor, his dispicable character that takes credit for everything and does everything while people look like morons around him, Nate Morgan(CURSE YOU!), he is the same reason one of the best characters in the book for Sonic to relate to is gone also, Uncle Chuck!(come home Chuck!) Bunnie now is nothing. She is a background character who serves no purpose. She used to be a great help to everyone! No one in the Knothole group works as a team anymore! The good old days are gone.::::: I have to agree with you!! I just started reading these comics again, and the characters are terribly lacking something! Rotor used to be on of my favorite characters, but that was way back in the begining. I hope he comes back soon and the same with Uncle Chuck. I guess alot has been lost. But what really got me annoyed was the fact that now Sally's brother is there, the king and undoubtably, the Queen wil lbe better soon, so now it's just no fun anymore when it comes to Sally. She used to be great back in the old issues when she WAS the leader, now we have all of these extras and filler characters. It takes alot of talent to work with the characters you already have, it takes little to just through in new one after new one. The comics seem to lack a definate plot. : By the way, the art just keeps getting worse and less realistic you may have noticed. And that idiot Fry tries to cram in as much pointless, hideous anime as possible! Anime is out of place in this book. Quite frankly, Ken's art in King of the hill was the most abomminable art of Knuckles I've ever seen! If you want to draw them as they appear in Sonic Adventure than try actually drawing them the way they appear! Fry is a moron. He can't even make up his own character design. Every single issue, all I am seeing is Tenchi Muyo rip offs, one after another. Washu, Ayeka, and Ryoko can bee seen in thier animal form every issue! It was stupid to begin with. I hope they start getting some decent artists soon. : Don't even get me started on how much I think yoguys at Archie are befouling Sonic Adventure. You guys aren't gettin' anything right at all. I've never played the game and I doubt that I will ever be able to, but I wouldn't doubt it. They were trying to intigrate both universes though. The idea that ALL of the freedom fighters are coming along for the ride seems pretty stupid, though. Can't they just stick with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Big? : These are my opinions and do not necessarily match those of all residents of this board. No one's ever do. --- Re: Fry & recent Sonic issues. Posted by MephitisLotor I wouldn't say it's inevitable that the Queen will recover (though I'd say it's better than 50/50), but yeah, I did like it when Sally was the leader of Knothole. Still, maybe Karl Bollers will handle her new status well. : It takes alot of talent to work with the characters you already have, it takes little to just through in new one after new one. The comics seem to lack a definate plot. And it takes a lot of talent to effectively work new characters into the current mix. I'm not terribly impressed with Bollers's work in this area, but I think he's done OK. : Fry is a moron. He can't even make up his own character design. Every single issue, all I am seeing is Tenchi Muyo rip offs, one after another. Washu, Ayeka, and Ryoko can bee seen in thier animal form every issue! It was stupid to begin with. I hope they start getting some decent artists soon. There's a difference between a 'ripoff' and an 'homage', and I think Fry's safely in the second category, although I hope he doesn't keep putting them in every issue, lusting after Elias. And he's done a lot of background characters that look nothing like Tenchi Muyo (or any other anime) characters, even if he does have a penchant for anime-ish hairstyles. : [...] The idea that ALL of the freedom fighters are coming along for the ride seems pretty stupid, though. Can't they just stick with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Big? Um, so, do you want the FFs working together as a team, or not? : : These are my opinions and do not necessarily match those of all residents of this board. : No one's ever do. Least of all mine. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, not terribly happy about people insulting Fry as a person because they don't like his artwork... =P --- I agree... Posted by MoKat : : Everyone's personalities in the knothole freedom fighter group have been destroyed by Karl. Sonic acts completely out of character, Antoine is nothing more than snotty, Sally is no longer smart and brave, but instead just ditzy and where she would normally appear she seems to have been replaced by her brother who is a lot less likeable when written for by Bollers than by Ken, Tails is a dolt now, Rotor was written out because Bollers thinks there can be only one inventor, [::nods::] That's one of the major reasons I dislike Nate. :his dispicable character that takes credit for everything and does everything while people look like morons around him, That's the other major reason ;o :Nate Morgan(CURSE YOU!), he is the same reason one of the best characters in the book for Sonic to relate to is gone also, Uncle Chuck!(come home Chuck!) Bunnie now is nothing. She is a background character who serves no purpose. She used to be a great help to everyone! No one in the Knothole group works as a team anymore! [::nods::] That is SO true! : : By the way, the art just keeps getting worse and less realistic you may have noticed. And that idiot Fry tries to cram in as much pointless, hideous anime as possible! Anime is out of place in this book. Agreed! :Quite frankly, Ken's art in King of the hill was the most abomminable art of Knuckles I've ever seen! If you want to draw them as they appear in Sonic Adventure than try actually drawing them the way they appear! No comment. : Fry is a moron. He can't even make up his own character design. Every single issue, all I am seeing is Tenchi Muyo rip offs, one after another. Washu, Ayeka, and Ryoko can bee seen in thier animal form every issue! It was stupid to begin with. I hope they start getting some decent artists soon. : : Don't even get me started on how much I think yoguys at Archie are befouling Sonic Adventure. You guys aren't gettin' anything right at all. : I've never played the game and I doubt that I will ever be able to, but I wouldn't doubt it. Same here. As I have said soooo many times, games & comics are two differnet mediums. What works in one may not fly in the other. The continuity (*chuckle*) in comics is very different from the continuity (*LOL!*) in the games. 'Bout the only thing they have in common is a -lack- of continuity ;D :They were trying to intigrate both universes though. That may be a -big- mistake...we'll just have to wait & see, tho' ;o :The idea that ALL of the freedom fighters are coming along for the ride seems pretty stupid, though. Can't they just stick with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Big? Either way, there would be complaints. Can't please everybody ;o : : These are my opinions and do not necessarily match those of all residents of this board. : No one's ever do. Yeah, getting this bunch to agree on something is like getting Sonic to team up with Nack ;D --- Quickie response Posted by MephitisLotor In Reply to: I agree... posted by MoKat : As I have said soooo many times, games & comics are two differnet mediums. What works in one may not fly in the other. The continuity (*chuckle*) in comics is very different from the continuity (*LOL!*) in the games. : 'Bout the only thing they have in common is a -lack- of continuity ;D I'm in 100% agreement with you on that matter. There's no way the 'storyline' in the first few Sonic games could've supported a cartoon or a comic on its own (or at least, not one appealing to anyone over the age of 6). It needed to be fleshed out beyond the basic 'collect rings while traveling through various weird zones before beating up the badnik'; it can be argued, though, that the cartoons and the comic were too free in their adaptations of the game's storyline. : :The idea that ALL of the freedom fighters are coming along for the ride seems pretty stupid, though. Can't they just stick with Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Big? : Either way, there would be complaints. : Can't please everybody ;o 100% agreement here, too. : : : These are my opinions and do not necessarily match those of all residents of this board. : : No one's ever do. : Yeah, getting this bunch to agree on something is like : getting Sonic to team up with Nack ;D Actually, I've been mulling over a possible fan-fic idea where Sonic and Nack do team up. After all, Nack will do whatever is to his advantage, and it's possible that the time might come where working with Sonic is to his advantage. The question is whether Sonic could ever work with Nack... ;) -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan --- Some more comments on SSS#11 Posted by JL I was surprised that i actually liked the outcome of all of the stories in this comic. I had been waiting to see Lupe for a while, and she gets robotasized, but I acsepted it. I didn't believe it at first, but the last page of her story was to good for me to say that it was terrible. I loved it! And the Bunnie story, it was kind of sad too, but it's okay that she's not going to be unrobotasized. It was maybe the way that she handled it that was pretty good too. The Julie-su one had wonderful coloring, mixed with Spaz's art. I can be one of the few to say that I can't stand Spaz's art. He does a good job at angles, but other than that, he draws bodies really weird, hands WAY to big and akwardly round hands. But the colorist was really nice on this story (and the others). The Hershey story was a tad boring for me. Though it wasn't bad. Over all, this has to be my favorite comic and one of the few I will read over and over again. : Favorite comment (in its entirety): : Five words:WHERE THE HELL IS AMY? Well, I was wondering the other day when I was driving to my college. "Where in the hell is Dulcy?" But I guess in the comics, both Dulcy and Amy aren't as important as the other gals. But I just started reading these comics again, so I don't know all that happened inbetween issues #20-#73!!!!! (By the way, what happened to Rotor? I am confused as hell! Somebody fill me in!!!!!) : Dumbest comment (in its entirety): : I want Males like Knuckles! Probably was a young male that said that. : One major problem with Sally's story was the screwed up stuff with Julayla.. She was a cat, darnit! Didn't these people even LOOK at Sonic:IYF? I AGREE! It's been driving me up the wall ever since I purchaced SSS#9! Before, I hadn't boughten on since In your face and now she's a woodchuck or squirrle or something. I loved her cat form! She was so much cooler and I could imagine her teaching Sally all of those little gymastic things as a graceful, beautiful cat. Now she's a stupid ... whatever. I thought she was Sally's mother when I first bought that sonic kids2 comic. : I noticed that as well when I read the story; I actually have what I think is a plausible explanation for why the Source of All would tell the King that Sally had to marry Antoine to be queen, and then would show Sally and Sonic as the royal couple in the future, but I don't want to spill the beans in case I use it in a fan fiction down the road... ;) I hope Sally never marries. Like Queen Elizabeth the first was it? That would be cool. Like many great leaders, like Alexander of Macidonia. But that's just my opinion! Many people, obviously, want to see what kind of cute offspring she has! : Anyways, it's too bad there'll be little chance to develop that Julie-Su stuff now though, never mind Knuckles stuff. [...] The Julie-Su story was great! :D ..But, it's completely worthless now that Knux has been cancelled. Well, isn't the Knux stories going to continue in the Sonic comics? I am sure if there is ever a spin off of one of the characters from that series, it would be Julie-su. (or maybe I make her out to be an incredably cooler character in my mind than she really is? After all, I have very few comics of her.) Well, it would be much more interesting than the Outback freedomfighters getting thier own mini series, I think. --- Re: Some more comments on SSS#11 Posted by Dr. Robotnik : The Julie-su one had wonderful coloring, mixed with Spaz's art. I can be one of the few to say that I can't stand Spaz's art. He does a good job at angles, but other than that, he draws bodies really weird, hands WAY to big and akwardly round hands. But the colorist was really nice on this story (and the others). You should see his early stuff: "The Three Phases of E.V.E." Penders/Spaziante issue #21, and "The Return" Penders/Spaziante issue #22(Plot note: Robo-Robotnik sets up for his second arrival on Mobius in this issue, thanks to Robotnik's comment). You can still back order what I refer to as the Second Season. Issues #26-50, I think, are the best ones through the entire series' running. Be sure to pick up issue #39("Rage Against the Machine" Gallagher/Spaziante). That's my favorite one. : Well, I was wondering the other day when I was driving to my college. "Where in the hell is Dulcy?" But I guess in the comics, both Dulcy and Amy aren't as important as the other gals. That's why they kinda were in the Library story together. Until Tails and Amy(who should really work together) went instead of Dulcy. Not that they had much to do with the storyline, they could've been cut out of the opening without hurting the story. : But I just started reading these comics again, so I don't know all that happened inbetween issues #20-#73!!!!! I'll say it again. Ya' missed the best ones. You can still back order, get one a month starting with 26, or 25 if they still have it. If you want to know about Robo-Robotnik you need #19, #21, and #22. : (By the way, what happened to Rotor? I am confused as hell! Somebody fill me in!!!!!) He was written out, I assume because both he and Nate are inventors and Karl had a preference to one of them(Nate "Karl's Ego Trip" Morgan). I mean, why do you think Chuck left instead of Jules or Bernie? Chuck and Rotor would have taken the spotlight away from Nate. Heck, Nate's already taken it from Sonic the Extra(oh yeah, Sonic sure has played a big part since Nate showed up. Remember when Sonic beat Naugus? No? That's cause Nate did. Heaven forbid Sonic's relative take credit for ANYTHING! Nate told Chuck how to make rings my...oh sorry. What were we talking about again? : : Dumbest comment (in its entirety): : : I want Males like Knuckles! Ah yes. Man, you should have subscribed if you wanted Knux. : Probably was a young male that said that. Probably a person who didn't know that there was a Knuckles comic due to that incredible Knuckles advertising blitz that never happened. : : One major problem with Sally's story was the screwed up stuff with Julayla.. She was a cat, darnit! Didn't these people even LOOK at Sonic:IYF? : I AGREE! It's been driving me up the wall ever since I purchaced SSS#9! Before, I hadn't boughten on since In your face and now she's a woodchuck or squirrle or something. I loved her cat form! She was so much cooler and I could imagine her teaching Sally all of those little gymastic things as a graceful, beautiful cat. Now she's a stupid ... whatever. Marmot. : I thought she was Sally's mother when I first bought that sonic kids2 comic. That IS what it looked like. : Many people, obviously, want to see what kind of cute offspring she has! When you cross Sally's looks with Sonic's you get Sonia from SU. Sonic Underground(as in six-feet) isn't it's own Sonic cartoon, it's a combination of exhausted plots and ripoffs of the other two US Sonic cartoons. Anyone who watched "Bug" would've noticed a much more than slight reference to the SatAM ep "Cry of the Wolf" in the climax scene(Running through a lightning storm to get rid of a seemingly indestructible enemy and getting your tail hurt in the process) : : Anyways, it's too bad there'll be little chance to develop that Julie-Su stuff now though, never mind Knuckles stuff. [...] The Julie-Su story was great! :D ..But, it's completely worthless now that Knux has been cancelled. : Well, isn't the Knux stories going to continue in the Sonic comics? Did you see Sonic #79? The Knux story was about RoboRobotnik. : I am sure if there is ever a spin off of one of the characters from that series, it would be Julie-su. (or maybe I make her out to be an incredably cooler character in my mind than she really is? After all, I have very few comics of her.) Well, it would be much more interesting than the Outback freedomfighters getting thier own mini series, I think. Downunda, not Outback. But the only decent member of that team is in Geoffrey's squad. --- Random comments Posted by True Red : Be sure to pick up issue #39("Rage Against the Machine" Gallagher/Spaziante). That's my favorite one. That was the issue that got me to stick with the comics. A story that I could not forsee being done in SatAM (actually roboticizing Sonic) and my introduction to Knuckles the Echidna (liked him instantly). : : : Dumbest comment (in its entirety): : : : I want Males like Knuckles! I thought so too when I read it. : Ah yes. Man, you should have subscribed if you wanted Knux. : : Probably was a young male that said that. : Probably a person who didn't know that there was a Knuckles comic due to that incredible Knuckles advertising blitz that never happened. "incredible Knuckles advertising blitz" **falls over laughing** **gets up** NEway, that statement is probably very accurate, which technically isn't funny. : : : Anyways, it's too bad there'll be little chance to develop that Julie-Su stuff now though, never mind Knuckles stuff. [...] The Julie-Su story was great! :D ..But, it's completely worthless now that Knux has been cancelled. : : Well, isn't the Knux stories going to continue in the Sonic comics? : Did you see Sonic #79? The Knux story was about RoboRobotnik. I haven't seen it yet, but that's what everyone has been saying. I read spoilers all the time and it never affects how much I enjoy/hate an issue. I still can't get over the fact that Knux' story (even if it was really Robo's story in a way) was TWICE the length of Sonic's story. STH #79 should've been called Sonic and Knuckles #2: SA Begins. Yes, I'm too big a Knux fan sometimes. :) --- Ads, another Rotor question, and large hands Posted by JL the Evil Komissar What issues did Rotor start on this little quest? : : Probably a person who didn't know that there was a Knuckles comic due to that incredible Knuckles advertising blitz that never happened. : "incredible Knuckles advertising blitz" : **falls over laughing** : **gets up** : NEway, that statement is probably very accurate, which technically isn't funny. And well... about my little Kncukles Ad page where I was suppose to be helping out. Um... the only exuse I have is college. It's not easy trying to be a good Anthropologist (getting good grades), writing a novel, trying to get a job, and doing web things (art) all at once. Um...Is that what we were talking about? I was doubting many people saw my webpage, but I SERIOUSLY undersetemated my "Showgirls of Casino Night" page. Maybe I should put counters on my page for once. Oooo....I had some really good pictures I was working on for this page too. But I doubt many people would appreciate it. : I mean the head or torso of a character should always be : bigger than their hand! ;) Yeah, I have always said that. Ha ha... T2, your art is cute. I have seen it randomly across the net. Everyone's art style is diffrent and yours isn't quite Spaz's style. I think your stuff is cute! --- *LOL!* Posted by T2 : The Julie-su one had wonderful coloring, mixed with Spaz's art. I can be one of the few to say that I can't stand Spaz's art. He does a good job at angles, but other than that, he draws bodies really weird, hands WAY to big and akwardly round hands. But the colorist was really nice on this story (and the others). My art, I draw chars with really big hands and feet, plus they are kinda tall and skinny. So I guess this would mean you wouldn't stand my art as well ^.~ ~Tini~ --- I like your art but you do draw the hands too big in some.. Posted by Rick 2Tails I mean the head or torso of a character should always be bigger than their hand! ;) --- *LOL!* Posted by T2 : I mean the head or torso of a character should always be : bigger than their hand! ;) But his shows that this art style is mine! :P Besides, I like drawing that way :D ~Tini~ --- Re: Some more comments on SSS#11 Posted by True Red : Well, I was wondering the other day when I was driving to my college. "Where in the hell is Dulcy?" But I guess in the comics, both Dulcy and Amy aren't as important as the other gals. But I just started reading these comics again, so I don't know all that happened inbetween issues #20-#73!!!!! : (By the way, what happened to Rotor? I am confused as hell! Somebody fill me in!!!!!) Dulcy was introduced in Sonic #29 (I don't have that) and doesn't make many appearances between #29-79. She was in Sonic #34, SSS #1, Sonic #49, Sonic #50, SSS #6, Sonic #65, and Sonic #77. She has also made what I consider cameos in SSS #4 and Sonic #57. I don't think I've missed any issues. Amy Rose is in a similar situation, but Dulcy is my fave char from SatAM (yes over Sally) so I've kept a better memory of her appearances. Rotor left in search of his family in Sonic #72 and has not been heard from since. No one knows what's happened to him. --- If Rotor is. . . Posted by JL the Evil Komissar (neyt......) : ...while on the whole I've been satisfied with the changes that have happened since #68, if Rotor's roboticized that one change would put me on the brink of dropping the comic entirely. And I'm not one to stop reading something just because something bad happens to a character I like; even though Lupe's been my favorite background character since her introduction, I still rank SSS #11 as one of my two favorite Super Specials. I doubt that I will read them any longer. Rotor was one of my favorite characters besides Knuckles, Tails, and Bunnie. Lupe was a good character too, but I would be even more disapointed than that if Rotor was robotisized. Wow. I think I am going to do something that I haven't done in 6 years....draw Rotor! Ha ha....I've been gone from the fandom for that long...and I don't know why --- About Rotor (from letters page of #79) Posted by MephitisLotor I imagine most, if not all, people here have already read this, but just in case, Amanda S. asks in a letter in StH #79 "How is Rotor doing in finding his parents?", to which ye olde Ed. replies, "Rotor's quest is the subject of an upcoming story." Interpret that however you see fit. As for the rumor that T2 mentions below (that Rotor will be roboticized upon his return), I have no idea if that's what's planned, but it would fit in with what's been going on in the comic over the past year. I really, really hope that's not what happens, though; while on the whole I've been satisfied with the changes that have happened since #68, if Rotor's roboticized that one change would put me on the brink of dropping the comic entirely. And I'm not one to stop reading something just because something bad happens to a character I like; even though Lupe's been my favorite background character since her introduction, I still rank SSS #11 as one of my two favorite Super Specials. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, knowing that all the protesting in the world won't change Rotor's fate,whatever it may be... --- About Rotor.... Posted by T2 Heard this from Pepper-Jie: Rumor has it he might come back... ROBOTICIZED!!!!!! @.o *sobs* ~Tini~ --- I hope not!! Posted by MoKat : Heard this from Pepper-Jie: Rumor has it he might come back... ROBOTICIZED!!!!!! @.o *sobs* If he does, I'll be SO ticked off... --- Re: Some more comments on SSS#11 Posted by Rick 2Tails I gave it a 4..for stories I enjoyed,characters I like and the lack of clothhing they wore! >;) j.k. I want to see more of Barby Koala and Amy Rose but think Dulcy is such a different type of animal that it`s difficult to use her,plus not to be mean but she`s sorta the 'ugly duckling' that hasn`t turned into the 'beautiful swan' so to speak. (and that recent Spaz cover that showed of all that detail of her mouth was unsettling ;p ) --- Dulcy Posted by True Red That's one of the best things about her. The fact that she's very useful (flying, fire/ice breath, strength, etc.) and she isn't a "beautiful swan." Every other major/semi-major female character; such as Sally, Julie-Su, Bunnie, Amy Rose, Hershey, Barby, and the list goes on; is (or can easily be) drawn to appear sexy. That's another thing SSS #11 proved. Dulcy brings balance. The guys vary in shapes, but the girls don't. Dulcy gives that variety, IMHO. --- Re: Dulcy Posted by MephitisLotor Actually, I've never considered Sally to be sexy myself, and she's always been my favorite character in the comics. (Admittedly, Butler, Fry, and now Valentino seem to be drawing her as more mature than previous artists did...) Amy Rose, at least up to this point, has definitely been cute rather than sexy. And I do know some people who'd argue that Dulcy could be drawn to appear sexy. Still, I agree with your basic points. I think the reason that there's more variety in body shapes among the guys than the gals is related to something else I've noticed: All the characters from the games, except for Tails and Vector, are very stylized representations of their species, to the point that they're not really recognizable. On the other hand, all characters created for the cartoon or the comic, with the exceptions of Mina and (arguably) Dylan, are anthropomorphs that bear a strong resemblance to their actual species. Since Amy and Tikal are the only females in the games, it's only natural for (most of) the rest of the female cast to be based on the generic anthropomorph build. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, who ought to know better than to stay up this late making rambling posts on comic book bulletin boards, but hasn't been acting rationally lately anyway, and, um... goodnight. --- Re: Some more comments on SSS#11 Posted by JL : Dulcy was introduced in Sonic #29 (I don't have that) and doesn't make many appearances between #29-79. She was in Sonic #34, SSS #1, Sonic #49, Sonic #50, SSS #6, Sonic #65, and Sonic #77. She has also made what I consider cameos in SSS #4 and Sonic #57. I don't think I've missed any issues. Amy Rose is in a similar situation, but Dulcy is my fave char from SatAM (yes over Sally) so I've kept a better memory of her appearances. Yeah, she was a really good character :) When she first came out, I made myself a Dulcy costume. It was . . . bizarre. : Rotor left in search of his family in Sonic #72 and has not been heard from since. No one knows what's happened to him. Geeze, I came a little late. I just started with issue #74!!!! I hope back issues come in soon at the comic store. But I hope he comes back soon because he is also one of my favorite characters. --- About Dulcy... Posted by MephitisLotor : Yeah, [Dulcy] was a really good character :) : When she first came out, I made myself a Dulcy costume. It was . . . bizarre. Odd thing, when Dulcy was first introduced into the SatAM continuity, what limited contact with Sonic fandom I had at the time seemed to indicate that she was almost universally disliked, if not hated. (I had mixed feelings: while I liked her personality, I thought she was used way too much, and found her clumsiness annoying.) Now it seems no one has an unkind word to say about her. Funny how things change. -- Jody 'MephitisLotor' Morgan, struggling to keep the cynic within from turning this into flamebait --- Re: About Dulcy... Posted by JL the Evil Komissar (don't ask. It has nothing to do with the[Knux] character) : Odd thing, when Dulcy was first introduced into the SatAM continuity, what limited contact with Sonic fandom I had at the time seemed to indicate that she was almost universally disliked, if not hated. (I had mixed feelings: while I liked her personality, I thought she was used way too much, and found her clumsiness annoying.) Now it seems no one has an unkind word to say about her. Funny how things change. I don't believe I saw a lot of the episods with her. I loved her when she came out. About the only episodes I saw was the first one and the one where she had that egg. But I noticed that there was a lot of hate for her on the net. Never did I understand why, but maybe I hadn't seen enough of her to dislike her. ---