Bunnie's Bod' 

ROUND 1
(Posts originally appeared at Mobius Forum, at Sonic HQ)


Jojo the Dancing Hamster
Bunnie: Her metallic self.

I am so perplexed about this. In two sections, I shall explain my case.

Sat AM: Bunnie had only her legs and left arm roboticized, and her body was covered by a lavender bodysuit.
The episode "Sonic Conversation" confirmed that when them temporarilly de-roboticized her.

Archie: Now with her new set of metal, it's obvious that they have drawn her from the waist down. That doesn't explain the de-roboticized tail! When they removed her old set, it would have had to have gone with it.

I can't see any other way to explain that. Also, she wouldn'y be able to well, you know......do certain things that are required for a normal lower torso.

My question is, how do you explain this? Is she robotic from the waist down, or just her three limbs?



Maric
Re: Bunnie: Her metallic self.

My guess is that her tail didn't get roboticized when Sonic rescued her in issue 3.



She can be anything you want her to be... (n/t) - Darosne,


ROUND 2...
(Posts were originally made at Ken's Messageboard)


Who created Sally and the freedom fighters? Bunnie question.
Posted by Jojo, the Dancing Hamster

Was it: Sega, DIC, or Archie?

Is Bunnie's legs, arm, & lower torso robotic (That wouldn't explain why the tail isn't metal), or just her legs and arm. In the Sat AM I think she was wearing a body suit, and yet in the comic, she seems to be metal from the waist down (since she got new metal everything) or she wears metal panties to hold up her legs. I dunno, but I don't see hwo she could eat proper food or well....you know go to the restroom and have kids.



Re: Posted by Dr. Robotnik

: Was it: Sega, DIC, or Archie?

DiC, but Archie's Sonic #¼ came out before the show did. The SatAM cartoon's debut was mentioned in the early issues' "Dreaming with Daryl" part on the Sonic Grams page, where a bunch of questions were about whether or not there would be a Sonic show. The answer was "Yes, there will be one on the ABC network soon." I'm sure the show was finished before the comic started.

: Is Bunnie's legs, arm, & lower torso robotic (That wouldn't explain why the tail isn't metal), or just her legs and arm.

It was just her legs and arm in SatAM, when she was being roboticized as a kid. Her lower torso was robotic in the comic though(in the comic, she was roboticized with a "Bot-on-the-Spot" machine)

: I dunno, but I don't see hwo she could eat proper food

I have a theory on that, but I'll explain later

: or well....you know g to the restroom

Same theory applies to that.

: and have kids.

I'll leave that one to somebody else.



Bunnie questions, opinions, & answers
Posted by MephitisLotor

In Reply to: Re: Who created Sally and the freedom fighters? Bunnie question. posted by Dr.Robotnik

: It was just [Bunnie's] legs and arm [that were roboticized] in SatAM, when she was being roboticized as a kid. Her lower torso was robotic in the comic though(in the comic, she was roboticized with a "Bot-on-the-Spot" machine)

Question: When in the SatAM series does it specify that Bunnie was roboticized as a child? There was a scene in part two of "Blast to the Past" that showed Robotnik about to roboticize the young Bunnie, but if I recall correctly Sonic rescued her before anything happened (though that's when Robotnik's arm got roboticized). Besides, if she had been roboticized when a little kid, how did her robotic parts grow with the rest of her? It makes more sense for her to have been roboticized relatively recently, as shown in the comic series.

(Actually, if the metallic parts don't grow, it seems likely that Bunnie herself won't grow; good thing that she's big for a 13-year-old, and Antoine small for an 18-year-old. Or am I overanalyzing a comic?)

: : I dunno, but I don't see hwo she could eat proper food

: I have a theory on that, but I'll explain later

: : or well....you know g to the restroom

: Same theory applies to that.

Opinion: The roboticizer was originally developed by Sir Charles Hedgehog as a medical device; the original design, before Robotnik sabotaged it, might well have roboticized only the most severly-injured organs or areas of the patient, in which case the robotic parts would have to work in concert with the organic tissue to maintain proper bodily function. Robotnik, in sabotaging the

roboticizer, would mainly be concerned with getting it to roboticize the patient's entire body, and wouldn't have bothered to change the 'cooperative' aspect of the roboticization process. However, whatever changes he made to the roboticizer still affected the relationship between the robotic and

the organic parts of the patient, causing it to slowly degrade, leading to what happened to Bunnie in SSS #11. (Or am I overanalyzing a comic?)

: : and have kids.

: I'll leave that one to somebody else.

Answer: Fertilize one of her eggs outside of her body and then re-implant it into her uterus. Once the fetus is developed enough to survive without complications outside the womb, perform a Cesarean section. This assumes that certain internal organs haven't been roboticized; while it would be delicate work, it could be done. (Or am I... you know.)

-- MephitisLotor, happy to finally have his bloody computer working again.



Re: Bunnie questions, opinions, & answers
Posted by Dr. Robotnik

 : Question: When in the SatAM series does it specify that Bunnie was roboticized as a child? There was a scene in part two of "Blast to the Past" that showed Robotnik about to roboticize the young Bunnie, but if I recall correctly Sonic rescued her before anything happened (though that's when Robotnik's arm got roboticized). Besides, if she had been roboticized when a little kid, how did her robotic parts grow with the rest of her? It makes more sense for her to have been roboticized relatively recently, as shown in the comic series. (Actually, if the metallic parts don't grow, it seems likely that Bunnie herself won't grow; good thing that she's big for a 13-year-old, and Antoine small for an 18-year-old. Or am I overanalyzing a comic?)

Mecha-organics. The roboticizer is a little faulty when it comes to making mecha-organics, but it works well enough. The roboticizer was developed to make old people live longer and was a form of alternative medicine. While adaptations were made to the machine by Julian, allowing parts to be able to be removed, plugged in to computers etc. basically chemical reactions cause the cell structure to change. The changes cause the cells to behave like normal cells, but they're metallic. A robotic mobian isn't really robotic, it's a different species than it was previously. The cells still need food, water, oxygen, and so on. They metabolize, so they require it. They can also produce wastes. It

is a normal living creature, but metallic. The problem is, the entire body needs to be one way or the other, because the "robotic" parts develop and grow independantly from the rest of the body and are self supporting(Bunnie can lift things that heavy because her arm handles most of the weight). Now that she's been upgraded, she would have lost her sense of touch in her arm and legs. As for her other arm and legs, wherever they may be, they need to be destroyed. The reason is, they grow and develop independantly. You know what happens if you remove a leg from a sea star(starfish), what happens to the leg? Same thing while happen(good idea for a fan-fic).

: Opinion: The roboticizer was originally developed by Sir Charles Hedgehog as a medical device; the original design, before Robotnik sabotaged it, might well have roboticized only the most severly-injured organs or areas of the patient, in which case the robotic parts would have to work in

concert with the organic tissue to maintain proper bodily function. Robotnik, in sabotaging the roboticizer, would mainly be concerned with getting it to roboticize the patient's entire body, and wouldn't have bothered to change the 'cooperative' aspect of the roboticization process. However, whatever changes he made to the roboticizer still affected the relationship between the robotic and

the organic parts of the patient, causing it to slowly degrade, leading to what happened to Bunnie in SSS #11. (Or am I overanalyzing a comic?)

Similar to what I think, but slightly different as the "robotic" parts would make an attempt to control the rest of the body. The effect of the roboticizer on the mind causes a temporary dual personality disorder that can be fought.

: Answer: Fertilize one of her eggs outside of her body and then re-implant it into her uterus. Once the fetus is developed enough to survive without complications outside the womb, perform a Cesarean section. This assumes that certain internal organs haven't been roboticized; while it would be delicate work, it could be done. (Or am I... you know.)

I am writing a story that has several mecha-organic characters. The way they'd go about it is a self-contained capsule, an egg, filled with a chemical that causes development of a child. Another chemical is added to make the child develop as a mecha-organic. Then any DNA from 2 or more parents(a couple of my characters use a small amount of their blood, yes, blood, they're even more

advanced than the roboticizer-made ones) injected in the egg starts the process. The child develops in the egg and hatches. If anyone over-analyzes the comic, I do.



imho
Posted by Rick 2Tails

That`s all way over thinking it. the whole robotic thing makes less sense the more you think about it. The easiest thing to believe is that she has 2 robotic legs and one arm and the rest of her body is unaffected. Otherwise ,it becomes too ludicrous for me.



Oh, so -that's- what happened...
Posted by MoKat

: It's my understanding the original model sheet for Bunnie had her as metal from the waist down.

Any idea if the peeps at Archie got a copy of that sheet?

Slight tangent here: there's an odd-looking version of her in a 2-page preview pin-up in one of the Sonic limited series issues (#2??). In StH #3 (regular), Bunnie looks more like the version on the model sheet. I'm curious about where that odd version came from (and I'm glad they didn't go with -that- look ;P). Anybody know?

:But that in the first production run of the show her lower torso got painted the pink color of her costume, instead of the metalic grey of her legs.

[:nods:]

I'll have to check some grabs from "Heads or Tails" to make sure, but that makes sense.

:They just kept the mistake consistent in later episodes.

...and changed her coloring a bit.

:The comic was drawn from the model sheets,

Oh, so they -did- have copies of the model sheets.

I'd like to see those...

:so they didn't realize the change in the show from the original model, and gave her the metallic lower torso as was originally planned.

[nods]
Sally was colored pink with black hair until StH #15. Same deal applies to that eh?



Something to add
Posted by Dr. Robotnik

: :But that in the first production run of the show her lower torso got painted the pink color of her costume, instead of the metalic grey of her legs.

: [:nods:]

: I'll have to check some grabs from "Heads or Tails" to make sure, but that makes sense.

Actually it was painted kinda burgundy. "Heads or Tails" is the most inconsistent episode of SatAM.

It had Antoine, Bunnie, Sonic, and Tails looking slightly different, a skinny purple Rotor, and the pink and black Sally.

: :The comic was drawn from the model sheets,

: Oh, so they -did- have copies of the model sheets.

: I'd like to see those...

So would I.

: :so they didn't realize the change in the show from the original model, and gave her the metallic lower torso as was originally planned.

: [nods]

: Sally was colored pink with black hair until StH #15. Same deal applies to that eh?

I don't know where they got the original red-orange with bright yellow hair version(the hair color change was mentioned once she went to pink and black because Sally died her hair...that was the explanation in issue #2 of the miniseries)



Design changes
Posted by MoKat

: Actually it was painted kinda burgundy.

Yah; in all the other episodes. It seemed to be anywhere from magenta to purple (depending on lighting and the color palette used, I guess)

:"Heads or Tails" is the most inconsistent episode of SatAM.

It was also the first. Sort of a pilot episode, I guess. The animation look more like AoStH's in that one.

: It had Antoine, Bunnie, Sonic, and Tails looking slightly different, a skinny purple Rotor, and the pink and black Sally.

: I don't know where they got the original red-orange with bright yellow hair version

Me, neither. A 'beta version' perhaps?? She appeared with -that- coloration in #0 and #1 of the limited series.

:(the hair color change was mentioned once she went to pink and black because Sally died her hair...that was the explanation in issue #2 of the miniseries)

[nods]

You're right.

And I got my issue #s mixed up in my previous post (so what -else- is new? ;D)

The pin-up in question is from Sonic the Hedgehog #1, limited series...

(Click here to load)

Closer look at the "odd version of Bunnie"...

Weird, eh? That's the -only- time I'd seen -that- particular 'version'.

BTW, Samanfur has some -interesting- scans (which can seen seen at Sonic HQ) of some ads that appeared in the Fleetway Sonic comics. They show a completely -different- band of Freedom Fighters. The walrus kinda looks like a "He-Man" verison of Rotor ;D



Yes, but...
Posted by Jojo the Dancing Hamster In Reply to: Re: Who created Sally and the freedom fighters? Bunnie question. posted by BobR

But in one episode Bunnit was temporarilly de-roboticized. That soft-of proved that the violet part of her lower torso was part of her clothing. I just don't bye her being roboticized from the waist down with that normal tail. Why? because everything would be metal and when the removed her old metallic torso, the tail wouldn't be attached to her. Try explaining that!



Well....
Posted by Crazy Chameleon

In the comics, it seemed to depend on the artist whether or not her tail was robotic. Sometimes it was, sometimes it wasn't. Now, tho', it seems the non-robotic version has generally been accepted as the proper way to draw her among the artists.


Re: Yes, but...
Posted by BobR

Well, you have to understand how the roboticizer works. The simplest is to say it converts living tissue into a metallic analog. What process drives the conversion I can't say. but it almost always seems to be from the ground up, probably so that the metallic parts could support the "lighter" tissue ones as the change progresses.

There most likely is some order of conversion, taking the most critical body parts first. A tail would be considered unimportant, thus left to be one of the last things roboticized.

When she was de-roboticized, the system converted her metallic parts back into living tissue. But the conversion was flawed, resulting in a reversion back to her "normal" condition of being robotic.

So if the roboticizer works from the ground up, how did Bunnie's arm get roboticized before the rest of her body? Good question and one I can't answer right off...unless when she was thrown into the robotocizer, she landed in a kneeling/crouch position, with her arm steadying her on the ground.

Though it's never been addressed, I'd say that Bunnie's entire skeletal structure would have to be robotic in nature. Without the extra support provided by those metallic bones, she would've snapped her backbone the first time she tried to pick up anything many times her weight.



I wondered if anyone else had noticed that...
Posted by MephitisLotor

: Though it's never been addressed, I'd say that Bunnie's entire skeletal structure would have to be robotic in nature. Without the extra support provided by those metallic bones, she would've snapped her backbone the first time she tried to pick up anything many times her weight.

Can you imagine what it looks like when she gets X-rayed? ;)

-- MephitisLotor



A little extra something I have to add to the Bunnie deal....
Posted by Sonicboom13

Looking at the pic MoKat posted, I remember another REALLY old pic of Bunnie showed in #1 of the regular series which is slightly different:

MoKat's pic:

 

Now here's mine:

(http://www.angelfire.com/mb/starart/oldbunny.jpg)

In my pic her RIGHT arm is robotic. This was probably just a goof or something, but I posted it anyway. Also, what I found interesting is she's robotic from the neck down, instead of the waist.

~Jamina



Posted by BobR

: : In my pic her RIGHT arm is robotic. This was probably just a goof or something, but I posted it anyway. Also, what I found interesting is she's robotic from the neck down, instead of the waist.

It's possible that the person doing the cover layout thought the composition was better served by having Bunnie faced to the left. Note how she appears to be vanquishing the "evil dudes" on the left side of the page. But most likely the drawing they had was of her facing the right side of the cover.

So they reversed the image, getting her to face the other way. Unfortunately, this also has the effect of reversing any non-symmetry in the character's design, i.e., her left robotic arm now became her "right" robotic arm. It's a common enough occurence, and you'll see it all the time, even with movies

(rain falling up, flames and smoke going down, etc.) But even that can be fixed today with computer enhancement. :)



Hadn't seen -that- one before...
Posted by MoKat

...but I don't have #1 from the regular series.

Thanx for sharing, SB13!

: : In my pic her RIGHT arm is robotic. This was probably just a goof or something,

[nods]

Probably.

I -still- have no idea where that old design came from...

Anybody here know?



ROUND 3
(Posts originally appeared at Mobius Forum)


WB
Bothering me since forever....Bunnie and Shortfuse

But ever since I read that post below its been on my mind....

How on earth DOES Bunnie use the Bathroom. And for that matter, how on earth does Shortfuse The Cybernik from Sonic The Comic either? Geez - They can't even fart....

I know its sick - but its REALLY BOTHERING ME ^__^



Darosne
*laughs uncontrolably* Well, *laugh*...

... *laugh* since she is roboticized from the waist down, she doesn't even have a bladder. *loud laugh* If you look really closely, you *very loud laugh* can see her leaking just below the waist. I think I know what it is, and it sure as Hell isn't an oil leak! *the furverted raccoon falls to the floor in an insane fit of laughter*



Samanfur the Fox
To quote the squirrel himself...

Someone once asked him the same thing. The reply was:

"Built in filter system."

Well, that`s as far as the official information goes. And, WB, you`ve seen his schematics.



An-ony-mouse
Not any longer...
now he's been turned back to normal... it's gonna take some gettin' used to!


MephitisLotor
Well...

...there's a discussion about this going on at Ken Penders's board as well, also started by Jojo. BobR has contributed some interesting info, talking about why the comic (usually?) shows Bunnie roboticized from the waist down while the cartoon shows only her legs roboticized (along with her left arm, of course).

-- MephitisLotor



Princess Sally
What the hell!!!??? LOL

That's too funny there. I've never thought of that before. However, I don't, too disturbing.



Vortex
thats a good question

And hear is a so so answer, maybe bunny has a little door she can open and just dump it out.



Crimson Kitty
Um...

Well, in the cartoons her, uh, lower area *wasn't* roboticized, so I'm guessing that since she had a belt on the colorists at Archie accidently colored it gray instead of purple and just kept it that way. So maybe she's just wearing gray underpants..

Or maybe Dr. Quack re-wired her intestines to make it come out of her bellybutton or something..

Gross..



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